A fierce, stubborn determination to be in control (of others and of
situations), never to be controlled by them, is what comes to my mind
first when I think of Type Eight. To them, weakness and vulnerability
are not cool and are to be avoided at all costs. They want to be tough,
strong, gritty, undefeatable. The problem, of course, is that this
determination -- while it undoubtedly helps them plow through any tasks
they choose to take on -- unfortunately compromises their lovableness in
the eyes of many, if not most, other people. Although Eights are soft
on the inside and secretly want to be loved, understood, and accepted
just as much as the rest of us, the heavy armor they have donned causes
them to have a bit more difficulty understanding and relating to others,
which naturally in turn makes it harder for others to understand and
relate to them. Even when the Eight tries hard to be there for others
and serve them in every possible way, he or she may be baffled by the
others' lack of love and appreciation for these contributions.
Eventually the Eight may develop a sort of knee-jerk expectation of
rejection or lack of love from others, which is why the Eight is
considered a member of the "rejection triad" (2, 5 and 8). A fighting
spirit pervades those of this personality type, a conviction that the
world and the people in it are often against the Eight, seeing him or
her as either simply unlovable, or misguided and/or dangerous in
worse-case scenarios. A sort of rebel/outcast/outlaw spirit is present
-- a rugged individualism, a sense of outraged innocence, and/or the
idea that the Eight is on the "mistreated underdog" side of a conflict,
the side of right and justice that must prevail at all costs. The Eight
is willing to splinter off from others whenever necessary to protect
his or her own freedom, and to defend that freedom to the death in case
it is challenged. Often spoiling for a fight (finding exhilaration in
it!), Eights definitely don't tend to be lukewarm fence-sitters. As a
gut-center type (8, 9, 1), Eights feel no need to overthink their
decisions; for them, decision-making is a quick, instinctive process.
As soon as all necessary information has been assembled, the answers are
just there for them -- which makes them great leaders and
strategists, and they generally find positions like this exhilarating
and fulfilling, too. Although it would depend on their instinctual
stacking (some more loner-ish Eights could say truly that they don't
care what others do as long as it doesn't affect them), I'd at least
expect any Eights who aren't social-instinct-last to be driven to pick a
side in any conflict they come across, then champion their chosen side
relentlessly and gleefully against any opponent they can find. Eights
tend to be either loved or hated by those who know them; it's difficult
to have no opinion about them. They're such intense people that when
they do play a social role, it's unlikely to be an insignificant one.
Even if they're homebodies, they'll feel the need to be "king (or queen)
of their own castle." Depending on their mental/emotional health
and/or spiritual development, they can be anything from dangerous
villains to great heroes, but seldom, if ever, will they be a "nobody."
Eights are often described as having an "earthy" or
"materialistic" quality to them; they're fully in touch with their
bodies and the desires thereof, and their so-called "passion" or "deadly
sin" is that of lust.
One way that Eights sometimes
repel people (although certainly not all people) is by being crude in
their speech and behavior. They often seem to enjoy shocking others.
As a gut-center type their deepest issues are with rage, and as a
reactive type (4, 6, 8), that rage is generally never held inside but
always expressed freely and explosively. Add that trait to their
reputation for crudeness and you have a group of people pretty infamous
for cursing. ;) Although their blow-ups can be traumatic for those who
live with them, there are two positive sides of their never holding
feelings in. One is that there's a certain inherent honesty in the
reactive types, so you're more likely to truly know where they stand
(though if they've got a Three fix, that's certainly not a guarantee).
And two is greater psychological health for them. If they have an issue
with something, they'll deal with it; if they're not bringing it up any
more that's because it's genuinely been aired out, solved, and healed.
There's no such thing as emotional repression poisoning an Eight slowly
from the inside out. Their being reactive/explosive allows issues to
blow over more quickly and truly be gone, leaving the Eight free to feel
cheerful and unburdened the majority of the time. (Not that they never
hold ancient grudges, because they can in fact be really bad about
that, but they're not the only ones, and in general they travel with
less emotional baggage than many other people). This frees their energy
to be engaged and expressed in multiple ways; their abundant energy is a
part of their classification as one of the aggressive/assertive types
(3, 7, 8).
When especially upset, however, Eights will
"go to Five" and feel the need to retreat into solitude in order to
process and deal with whatever just happened. They will snap at anyone
who tries to disturb or help them during this time. They just need to
be left alone until they are ready to come out and initiate conversation
on their own.
When at their best and happiest, on
the other hand, Eights "go to Two" and become extremely loving and
caring. Healthy and happy Eights endear themselves to those they
cherish due to offering them an abundance of enthusiastic love and
support.
When Eights have learned all the lessons life has to teach them, they realize that actually the world is not against
them, and they don't have to be in control. They become happy to
simply, with childlike joy, play their own part in life and let others
play theirs; they're able to just enjoy the ride instead of feeling like
they have to steer. They become very refreshing, exciting, enlivening
people to be around -- leaders, heroes, and sometimes even saints filled
with zest for life, who can inspire others, achieve vast amounts of
good, and be viewed with boundless love and respect by those whose lives
they've touched.
The wing types:
Eight
with a 7-wing is more talkative, dynamic, and actively
fun-loving/thrill-seeking. This type likes excitement and stimulation
(often through things like physical activity, competitive sports, and
debate/arguments) and its energy is high, bold, loud, and impossible to
ignore. Eight with a 9-wing is quiet, firm, stoic, and immovable. This
type is inclined to use his or her talents as "the boss" to maintain
peace and order. Of course, as always, a large or small amount of each
wing can be present within the same individual, so I don't mean to imply
that a 9-winger could never be wild or fun-loving. ;)
I'm a 8 with a 7 wing, and you totally hit the nail on the head. I am a psychotherapist and I incorporate the Enneagram Personality types into the treatment because it can really help people gain awareness of how they are perceived, and realize that people have different drives and fears. I sometimes use this to help my clients understand me, and not be thrown off by my style of communication as a type 8 personality. Great article. I was wondering if you have information regarding how two 8's interact with each other in romantic relationships. I haven't found much material and am very interested personally and professionally. Thank you, Mahastee
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DeleteWow, thanks so much for your encouraging comment! I'm very glad that you enjoyed my post. ^_^
DeleteRegarding your question about two Eights in a romantic relationship, have you read this?
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/relationship-type-8-with-type-8
I found it through the very first link that popped up when I Googled "Enneagram types in love," so maybe you have already seen it. But I think it's the best, most in-depth write-up I've seen online thus far. It echoed all of my own immediate thoughts when I envisioned an 8-with-8 relationship.
I hope it helps.
Thanks again!! :)
Fantastic article, Kamalini! So right on. Aside from a couple of typos (you wrote "six" as "sx" a couple of times) you did a perfect typing job, as well!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Mata! I'm having trouble finding those typos, though. Can you point out to me where they are??
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Sorry, Sweet Pea, I couldn't find those typos either. Maybe they're in another article I read earlier on your blog. I'll check around and let you know if I find them...Love, Ma
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